Comments on: surveillance techniques http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/ Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:52:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Interactie Ontwerpen - Sebastian Hagens » Onderzoek http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Interactie Ontwerpen - Sebastian Hagens » Onderzoek Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:49:13 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-574 [...] http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/ [...] [...] http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/ [...]

]]> By: Kal http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-434 Kal Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:57:03 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-434 I think there are two really interesting points here. The first is a distinction that I saw recently made in a special report in The Economist between surveillance and sousveillance (sous being French for "under"). The idea is that, for some, the source also matters. In California you might bot be so worried about the state watching you as you might be about the everybody-papparazi being able to find things about you. I suppose that this is a bigger deal in places like the US as opposed to former communist or socialist states because many of those have a long history of citizens spying on each other on behalf of the state. The second thing is that you've sort of focussed on the issue of data capture but I don't think that's the real problem people are facing. There is a lot of information we want to capture and distribute about our location, etc. but we want to be able to erase it afterwards. The fact of the permanent record is what I think is making people a bit hesitant about capturing information in the first place for most. I also think there may be a bit of sample bias where early adopters/techies may be more concerned about privacy than others. I think there are two really interesting points here. The first is a distinction that I saw recently made in a special report in The Economist between surveillance and sousveillance (sous being French for “under”). The idea is that, for some, the source also matters. In California you might bot be so worried about the state watching you as you might be about the everybody-papparazi being able to find things about you. I suppose that this is a bigger deal in places like the US as opposed to former communist or socialist states because many of those have a long history of citizens spying on each other on behalf of the state.

The second thing is that you’ve sort of focussed on the issue of data capture but I don’t think that’s the real problem people are facing. There is a lot of information we want to capture and distribute about our location, etc. but we want to be able to erase it afterwards. The fact of the permanent record is what I think is making people a bit hesitant about capturing information in the first place for most. I also think there may be a bit of sample bias where early adopters/techies may be more concerned about privacy than others.

]]> By: Networked_Performance — Counter Intuitive http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-384 Networked_Performance — Counter Intuitive Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:12:03 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-384 [...] traces” — those indications of where you are, and where you have been, in a surveillance world. She says, That leaves another interesting question: How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their [...] [...] traces” — those indications of where you are, and where you have been, in a surveillance world. She says, That leaves another interesting question: How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their [...]

]]> By: Julian Bleecker http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-382 Julian Bleecker Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:15:33 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-382 Minimzing and countering is one perspective, and important to consider. I wonder how much the "digital kids" think of ways to counter their traces, especially when they seem to be sharing so much. The meaning and context of surveillance seems particularly relevant to specific generations of people — those of us who read 1984, for example. The group the Institute for Applied Autonomy created a great pre-Google mapping system called <a href="http://www.appliedautonomy.com/isee/info.html" rel="nofollow">iSee</a> that allowed you to find routes that avoided surveillance cameras. Or <a href="http://www.notbored.org/the-scp.html" rel="nofollow">The Surveillance Camera Players</a> are a group who do performances in front of surveillance cameras — not minimizing their traces, but enhancing them and being deliberate about how they author that "space." Similarly, in a reverse mode, <a href="http://www.ubermatic.org/argos/index.html" rel="nofollow">Life: A User's Manual</a> by Michelle Teran captures the signals leaked into public space by RF-based video cameras and reveals intimate spaces in a very DIY and performative fashion. It may be that the question is no to much avoiding "capture" but how to turn that space into something where your voice can be heard. I'm not convinced, but it seems that we (a bit older people) think of surveillance in one way that digital kids (the next "us") will see as an opportunity for a new form of living. Minimzing and countering is one perspective, and important to consider. I wonder how much the “digital kids” think of ways to counter their traces, especially when they seem to be sharing so much. The meaning and context of surveillance seems particularly relevant to specific generations of people — those of us who read 1984, for example. The group the Institute for Applied Autonomy created a great pre-Google mapping system called iSee that allowed you to find routes that avoided surveillance cameras. Or The Surveillance Camera Players are a group who do performances in front of surveillance cameras — not minimizing their traces, but enhancing them and being deliberate about how they author that “space.” Similarly, in a reverse mode, Life: A User’s Manual by Michelle Teran captures the signals leaked into public space by RF-based video cameras and reveals intimate spaces in a very DIY and performative fashion.

It may be that the question is no to much avoiding “capture” but how to turn that space into something where your voice can be heard. I’m not convinced, but it seems that we (a bit older people) think of surveillance in one way that digital kids (the next “us”) will see as an opportunity for a new form of living.

]]> By: Near Future Laboratory » Blog Archive » Counter Intuitive http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-381 Near Future Laboratory » Blog Archive » Counter Intuitive Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:08:48 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-381 [...] — those indications of where you are, and where you have been, in a surveillance world. She says, That leaves another interesting question: How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their [...] [...] — those indications of where you are, and where you have been, in a surveillance world. She says, That leaves another interesting question: How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their [...]

]]> By: Pasta&Vinegar » Blog Archive » Minimize or counter digital traces? http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-380 Pasta&Vinegar » Blog Archive » Minimize or counter digital traces? Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:56:25 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-380 [...] Younghee’s post about surveillance techniques tackle a very important issues wrt to digital traces: “How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their digital traces and minimize contributing to create others’? We are probably not expecting stickers and badges showing “this person does NOT have cameras” or “this person will NOT use cameras”. One of the memorable Ubicomp conference talks was on the interesting concept of creating capture-resistant environment, preventing camera phones to take photos by overexposing photos attempted in the region covered by this technology. While I am sure there are certain types of places this technology would be very useful, I do have my doubts if there would ever be any technology successfully controlling people’s digital behaviors.“ [...] [...] Younghee’s post about surveillance techniques tackle a very important issues wrt to digital traces: “How would people drop out of, or at least minimize their digital traces and minimize contributing to create others’? We are probably not expecting stickers and badges showing “this person does NOT have cameras” or “this person will NOT use cameras”. One of the memorable Ubicomp conference talks was on the interesting concept of creating capture-resistant environment, preventing camera phones to take photos by overexposing photos attempted in the region covered by this technology. While I am sure there are certain types of places this technology would be very useful, I do have my doubts if there would ever be any technology successfully controlling people’s digital behaviors.“ [...]

]]> By: annamatic http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-374 annamatic Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:01:09 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-374 In NYC, there's the really vague campaign, "If you see something, say something," which I find kinda funny. I wonder how many prank calls they get. On the other hand, this use of cameraphones seems pretty successful: http://hollabacknyc.blogspot.com/ In NYC, there’s the really vague campaign, “If you see something, say something,” which I find kinda funny. I wonder how many prank calls they get. On the other hand, this use of cameraphones seems pretty successful:
http://hollabacknyc.blogspot.com/

]]> By: David Mery http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-364 David Mery Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:59:19 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-364 > An ad placed in buses in London encouraging people to be alert about the “suspicious”. Less direct than the Korean approach, but it at least stopped me to think about what would be appropriately suspicious enough to tell the bus staff or police. The Metropolitan Police Service has been running its own yearly ad campaign. This year's posters focus on mobile phones, cameras and doors. You can find a bit more about it, including links to the posters, at http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/counter_terrorism_ad_campaign_2008.html br -d > An ad placed in buses in London encouraging people to be alert about the “suspicious”. Less direct than the Korean approach, but it at least stopped me to think about what would be appropriately suspicious enough to tell the bus staff or police.

The Metropolitan Police Service has been running its own yearly ad campaign. This year’s posters focus on mobile phones, cameras and doors. You can find a bit more about it, including links to the posters, at http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/counter_terrorism_ad_campaign_2008.html

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]]> By: Tina Russell http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/comment-page-1/#comment-361 Tina Russell Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:31:39 +0000 http://younghee.com/2008/03/27/surveillance-techniques/#comment-361 I finally decided to write a comment on your blog. I just wanted to say good job. I really enjoy reading your posts. Tina Russell I finally decided to write a comment on your blog. I just wanted to say good job. I really enjoy reading your posts.

Tina Russell

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